
Key 2012 Arizona football recruit decommits. Reasons why, future plans and more inside.
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wineknow said...
Is there any reason to think that he wouldn't have DE-committed anyway?
1. Anae would still be (at least partially) his coach
2. Nothing about our offense since Gronk is set up for a TE. Did we even have TE last year?
3. We're up against Oklahoma for a recruit. Short of collusion between the brothers or delusion on the part of the recruit, Oklahoma is going to win every time.When you, as a staff, win 4 games, you're gonna lose recruits. And that's why I am not LMAO about the previous regimes inability to recruit. How many ALL-PAC-12 players did we have this year? Yea, that's recruiting, or rather the lack there of. Nothing funny about that.
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wineknow said...
Is there any reason to think that he wouldn't have DE-committed anyway?
1. Anae would still be (at least partially) his coach 2. Nothing about our offense since Gronk is set up for a TE. Did we even have TE last year? 3. We're up against Oklahoma for a recruit. Short of collusion between the brothers or delusion on the part of the recruit, Oklahoma is going to win every time.
When you, as a staff, win 4 games, you're gonna lose recruits. And that's why I am not LMAO about the previous regimes inability to recruit. How many ALL-PAC-12 players did we have this year? Yea, that's recruiting, or rather the lack there of. Nothing funny about that.
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wineknow said...
Homework assignment. Causal relationships.
1. List our coaching staff from last year. What was our record last year? Is there a causal relationship?
2. Discuss our talent level as it pertains to recruiting. Which recruiting class currently enrolled at Arizona was widely recognized as being in the top 3 or 4 of our conference? Which Arizona players were nominated for national awards at their respective positions? Which ones were listed on the first or second team all conference team? Which coaches are responsible for recruiting the players who won or did not win the awards or receive honors? Is their a causal relationship between recruiting player achievement?
3. If we state a premise that coaches are responsible for developing talent, which players showed enough development to win national awards at their respective positions? Which ones developed enough to be listed on the first or second team all conference team? Who were the coaches responsible for developing this talent? Is there a causal relationship between the development of players and coaching?
FACT: Arizona won four games last year with a program that had been in place for 8 years. Either we don't recruit good enough talent to win or we don't develop good enough talent to win. Erring on the side of caution I'd say it's both. FACT: Arizona did not produce any national awards for individual players and only one (was it second or third?) team all pac-12 player. FACT: The best QB in school history was not good enough to be selected to the ALL-PAC12 team. F
ACT: based on any rational criteria, when compared to most other football programs, Arizona is not 'talented'. FACT: the only two so
urces of talent are recruiting and development. FACT: Our results indicate that we are not recruiting OR developing enough talent.Are you suggesting that common sense and research will reveal that our players were selected to the all conference teams? Are there any facts that show we have players wining Thorpe awards or Heisman trophies?
Is it a ridiculous statement to suggest that our best recruiter maybe wasn't good in enough looking back at a 4 win season?
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wineknow said...
Homework assignment. Causal relationships.
1. List our coaching staff from last year. What was our record last year? Is there a causal relationship?
2. Discuss our talent level as it pertains to recruiting. Which recruiting class currently enrolled at Arizona was widely recognized as being in the top 3 or 4 of our conference? Which Arizona players were nominated for national awards at their respective positions? Which ones were listed on the first or second team all conference team? Which coaches are responsible for recruiting the players who won or did not win the awards or receive honors? Is their a causal relationship between recruiting player achievement?
3. If we state a premise that coaches are responsible for developing talent, which players showed enough development to win national awards at their respective positions? Which ones developed enough to be listed on the first or second team all conference team? Who were the coaches responsible for developing this talent? Is there a causal relationship between the development of players and coaching?
FACT: Arizona won four games last year with a program that had been in place for 8 years. Either we don't recruit good enough talent to win or we don't develop good enough talent to win. Erring on the side of caution I'd say it's both. FACT: Arizona did not produce any national awards for individual players and only one (was it second or third?) team all pac-12 player. FACT: The best QB in school history was not good enough to be selected to the ALL-PAC12 team. F
ACT: based on any rational criteria, when compared to most other football programs, Arizona is not 'talented'. FACT: the only two so
urces of talent are recruiting and development. FACT: Our results indicate that we are not recruiting OR developing enough talent.Are you suggesting that common sense and research will reveal that our players were selected to the all conference teams? Are there any facts that show we have players wining Thorpe awards or Heisman trophies?
Is it a ridiculous statement to suggest that our best recruiter maybe wasn't good in enough looking back at a 4 win season?
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Pin High said...
Wine... As I posted on the Kish thread... What purpose does regurgitating the Stoops era serve? On the one hand losing McNamara is a tragedy... but on the other hand we can not recruit... Which is it??? McNamara was recruited and committed, now he is leaving because the offensive scheme will be changing... that's all... We will lose some recruits and will now pick up some that weren't interested before... Lets leave the past and embrace the future...
Many of us are happy that a change was made... Enough of calling out others for not sharing your willingness to NOT let go of the Mackovic and Stoops eras...
Yes you were one of the first to call for both of their firings.... Congratulations to you....
Your deep felt love of the CATS is appreciated and shared by all of us on this board...
Now impress us all with how we are going to put that all behind and build the type of program we all are yearning for... I will be all in with you on that...
This post was edited by wineknow on 12/15/2011 at 11:35 PM
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