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Oregon presents big test for Cats

Dana Altman and his Oregon Ducks are off to a 12-2 start this season.

Arizona will have its hands full tonight against an aggressive, fast-paced Oregon team that is limiting opponents to just 60.8 point per game this season.

    • I think that Oregon's 3 point shooter % is an accurate representation of them. Altman does not use the 3 ball that much and they do not shoot it well. They also have not played teams that are great at defending the 3. I think we win this one because our big weakness is defending the 3 but Oregon won't be able to take advantage of that. We are a bad matchup for them in my opinion.

      liver97

    • they were 63% from 3pt range...

      wineknow

    • My big key was Arizona winning the rebounding, in large part because of its usual double-digit offensive boards. Credit Oregon for equaling Arizona on the glass tonight and getting a big win at home.

      Arizona suddenly having some chemistry issues on both ends of the floor. They need to fix their communication on defense and willingness to make the extra pass on offense in order to reach their potential.

      Gary Randazzo

    • So, here we have the first loss.
      It came on the road to a school I detest. Playing to the level of the competition would certainly get us in the end, and it got us right in the end.
      Sometimes, the best lessons are the hardest.

      If they pull out a split, they can look forward to going home and facing Coach Miller in practice, who now has lots of ammo to use.
      Dumb loss, and OUR fault.

      RBob1

    • Gary Randazzo said...

      My big key was Arizona winning the rebounding, in large part because of its usual double-digit offensive boards. Credit Oregon for equaling Arizona on the glass tonight and getting a big win at home.

      Arizona suddenly having some chemistry issues on both ends of the floor. They need to fix their communication on defense and willingness to make the extra pass on offense in order to reach their potential.

      Extra passes only work if they are crisp passes. We have a tendency to make lazy passes that cause turnovers.

      Cattyshack

    • Cattyshack said...

      Extra passes only work if they are crisp passes. We have a tendency to make lazy passes that cause turnovers.

      Yep, I talked about that in this morning's article as well, passing with a purpose. We played right into Oregon's gambling defense and the Ducks took advantage.

      On a side note, what was the deal with Nick Johnson tonight? Granted, he gave it his all (as always) and again helped us climb back into the game, but he was the cause of several of Arizona's turnovers tonight with his really loose, almost cavalier ball handling. And, of course, it was his turnover in traffic trying to go behind his back against 3 defenders (completely ridiculous) that denied us a game-tying look at the basket late.

      Gary Randazzo

    • I remain perplexed as well with the rotation. I understand you can't just throw guys who haven't played in a while directly into the fire, especially on the road, because you can't afford the typical mistakes while the engine is being greased. However, Arizona's main contributors are making tons of mistakes, defensive breakdowns and the list goes on so IMO if something isn't working try another option. Seriously, I'm getting weary of the wasted talent sitting at the end of Arizona's bench, but that's just my personal opinion.

      Gary Randazzo

    • wineknow said...

      they were 63% from 3pt range...

      I could not have been more wrong about how bad our 3 pt D is

      liver97

    • Gary Randazzo said...

      I remain perplexed as well with the rotation. I understand you can't just throw guys who haven't played in a while directly into the fire, especially on the road, because you can't afford the typical mistakes while the engine is being greased. However, Arizona's main contributors are making tons of mistakes, defensive breakdowns and the list goes on so IMO if something isn't working try another option. Seriously, I'm getting weary of the wasted talent sitting at the end of Arizona's bench, but that's just my personal opinion.

      Totally agree Gary. It also seems like the freshman as being effected by lack of solid minutes. When we were up 11-0 Zues was sat after the timeout and things went south. Not saying it was because of him but that has to play with the mind set of these young guys.

      Jtowns32

    • Grant totally looked lost out there. He came in missed a defensive assignment and then a layup which resulted in a 3 pointer to the ducks in transition and bingo 11-0 is now 11-5.

      liver97

    • Making matters worse up come the Beavers, who succumbed to the mighty Sun Devil's at home last night by ten. This next game is critical from many stand points. Also ASU is becoming more than respectable, and a cause for concern( hell every one is).

      PaulJCPACFP

    • liver97 said...

      Grant totally looked lost out there. He came in missed a defensive assignment and then a layup which resulted in a 3 pointer to the ducks in transition and bingo 11-0 is now 11-5.

      Grant, Jerrett and Zeus were almost non-existent last night, but sometimes that's to be expected from freshmen on the road. Oregon's freshmen backcourt last night had 19 points and five assists so development and growth can't be Arizona's full proof excuse. Miller is right about his team's defense. It's pretty awful right now. Early in the season the Cats were rotating much better and we saw that in contested shots at the rim. Today, the defense is breaking down all over the place and opponents are not only wide open at the arc, but dribble drives are resulting in layups and worse, dunks. Arizona ranks something like 295 in 3-Point defense shooting efficiency which is ridiculous for a program that has been in the top 20 since Miller arrived.

      Like others have previously written, I think the great comebacks have served to mask some of Arizona's deficiencies, but that's not to say Arizona isn't a very good team that can do great things this year. What it means is now that the undefeated season is over, the Wildcats players need to refocus on all the little stuff, get it right, and start playing UA basketball again.

      Have to wonder though if they can figure it out in a day. I don't mind losing to a really competitive Oregon team on the road. However, OSU is an undisciplined team so a loss up in Corvallis SHOULD not happen unless the Cats are in even worse condition than we think.

      Gary Randazzo

    • Gary Randazzo said...

      Like others have previously written, I think the great comebacks have served to mask some of Arizona's deficiencies, but that's not to say Arizona isn't a very good team that can do great things this year.

      Have to wonder though if they can figure it out in a day. I don't mind losing to a really competitive Oregon team on the road. However, OSU is an undisciplined team so a loss up in Corvallis SHOULD not happen unless the Cats are in even worse condition than we think.

      I have yet to see the game, had to record it and will watch this afternoon.

      It is interesting to me that I was one who 'previously written' that we had some issues and that we were not as good as our ranking and got blasted with lots of snide comments "we're 12-0, what's the problem?" or 'Miller sucks"...

      Well, it sounds like the problems I identified and wanted to discuss are exactly what the issues are (according to your own reports). Not sure why it's OK for some to address them now but not earlier.

      Gaining some perspective by watching other games was advised. So, after watching Bob Huggins switch from man to man to an extremely effective 1-3-1 to beat Texas and watching Romar keep switching his defense (I think they were playing some sort of box and one at one point) to keep Cal totally confused and on the ropes and watching a few minutes of a Syracuse game in which Boheim pressed in the first 1/2, I got some perspective. I also watched Iowa State play man to man for an entire game against Kansas and lose in overtime - there was absolutely no reason for Self to make any adjustments (and he made none), sooner or later his talent was going to bury Iowa State if they did not press or throw a surprise defense at KU - which they did not, that too gave me a little perspective.

      My perspective: Great coaches have a lot of different looks they can throw at the opposing team. Miller is trying to do it with substitutions alone. We have no zones, no press and one offense that we run for 40 minutes each night. Arizona has to be the absolute easiest team in the PAC-12 to prepare for. If Huggins, Romar and Boheim, (and Olson for that matter) all with at least a decade more experience, most with several decades more experience, can switch defenses in the middle of a game, Miller is stupid not to have at least a few different looks for opponents. Zone defenses can also compensate for weaknesses, i.e. when players are not playing well. Is there a single great coach in America who runs 1 defense and 1 offense for 40 minutes, every night, all season long? I know that Izzo, K, Montgomery, Barnes, Pitino, Pastner, Calipari all switch their defenses up.

      Robinson may not be the best coach in the league, but when the guy coming in is the most predictable coach in America, he does not need to be to beat Arizona.

      In the Super Bowl, Lombardi's Offensive Linemen told the defense what they were about to do and they did it. We're not as dominate (yet) to do that. We need to start making people guess. Parrom starting instead of Ashley... (although I applaud that move) not really a big surprise. Switch to a 3-2 for a few sets after their first 3 pointer - that would shock the world - force their PG to call time out or maybe take a poor shot...

      This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by wineknow on 1/11/2013 at 1:37 PM

      wineknow

    • Wine, now this is a good post... upvote... It is not your opinions some object to it is the ranting but this was well stated... peace

      Pin High

    • wine, the reason you got blasted is because you made some mountains out of mole hills. No one is blind to the fact that the Cats have some "minor" issues, but they're simply that, minor.

      Freshmen playing inconsistently is nothing new to the game of college basketball. Add in road trips and freshmen become even more inconsistent. As others have mentioned, the Cats are relying on a front line comprised entirely of freshmen. Their inconsistency has forced Miller to break from what was intended and move Hill to the 4 way too many times. I trust Hill at the four, but this team was built for Hill at the 3 this season.

      Bottom line is Arizona needs to return to its normal practice schedule so development can occur in a controlled setting. Even this week, Arizona's first normal week of practice in almost 3 weeks was cut short because of the road trip. I don't expect to see a better version of the Wildcats until next week when the Cats only have one game and it's a bus ride up to Tempe. Arizona will get a full week's worth of practice before and after their next home stand and that should be enough for the team to work out its kinks.

      This post was edited by Gary Randazzo on 1/11/2013 at 1:49 PM

      Gary Randazzo

    • This is a perfect example: "Is there a single great coach in America who runs 1 defense and 1 offense for 40 minutes, every night, all season long? I know that Izzo, K, Montgomery, Barnes, Pitino, Pastner, Calipari all switch their defenses up. "

      Izzo plays man. Calipari plays man. Coach K plays man. Pitino zone presses into zone. Montgomery plays man unless his team is outmatched and then goes zone (Arizona is rarely if ever outmatched athletically). Pastner plays man and occasionally drops into that horrifically terrible 1-3-1 Zone that Olson used to run). And since you brought it up, Syracuse has been zone pressing and playing a 2-3 zone for 30 friggin' years. None of these coaches "switch up" defenses as much as you make them out to.

      While I agree that a nice switch up, on occasion, is nice, the majority of college coaches have their defense and stick with it throughout their careers. As for offense, you think any of these coaches have "changed" their offense much in the past two decades? Everyone credits Olson for having the wherewithal to go to a 3-guard lineup in 1993 based on player personnel. Yes, he did, but he then stuck with a perimeter-oriented lineup for the next 13 years!

      Gary Randazzo

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