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Arkansas Coach Petrino & his intern

  • Well put, wineknow. You are wrong about what is taught in business school, however. I was shocked at how much "emotionall intelligence" was part of my business school's curriculum. A lot of it is not trading what you want most for what you want right now, but the majority of EI subject matter dealt with interpersonal relations.

    I've found time-and-again that someone's personal life is reflected in their professional life. IOW don't expect a client or supplier to show any more loyalty to a supplier or client, respectively, than they do to their family.

    CatAtTheSpot

  • CatAtTheSpot said...

    Well put, wineknow. You are wrong about what is taught in business school, however. I was shocked at how much "emotionall intelligence" was part of my business school's curriculum. A lot of it is not trading what you want most for what you want right now, but the majority of EI subject matter dealt with interpersonal relations.

    I've found time-and-again that someone's personal life is reflected in their professional life. IOW don't expect a client or supplier to show any more loyalty to a supplier or client, respectively, than they do to their family.

    I will attribute that to your outstanding choice of school(s)!!!!

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • BlkMtn said...

    You have to question someone interested in a woman half his age, single of married. At some point this is something that doesn't work out. You also have to question a 25 year old woman with any interest at all in a man old enough to be her father. Both situations are weird.

    I had a business partner who was harassed by a professional after only one sales call. Eight calls in a row with each voice mail message more and more lurid. I told her never to go see him again and he was a very important customer to us at the time. Our manager agreed, and with the evidence of the texts and voicemails, it could have been very embarrassing for him. But we agree just to never go back to this guy. WK is right, sometimes you just walk away.

    In the interest of fairness to Stoops, I'm pretty sure I could care less who he dated or how many, but if the inference is that is what caused his divorce, it's a far cry from what I heard, but all of that is heresay whether it was his fault or not. Whether it contributed to a lack of focus on his job at Arizona is something that only Stoops can answer. After Stoops was divorced, I think he was fair game to date who he wanted to, and that's his personal choice.

    But there is no getting around an essential truth, personal decisions can affect job performance, and although this is a free country and people can make all kinds of personal decisions, like Petrino did, they all can carry consequences.

    I have no idea about Stoops other than what I've read here and no one has said anything specific. I was being hypothetical...

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • rickyk said...

    Let me throw another hypothetical (cough, cough) out there: Let's suppose we found out that one of our major big time sport coaches was trying to nail every co-ed that came within 1000 ft., of our athletic offices; would that be something we should mind our own business about? Or would we have a right to be incensed with such poor judgment and lack of class? How would we know--or would we not care--if that coach was more focused on getting a whiff of the quiff than on recruiting and developing/riding herd on stud players? Is a university campus now just another workplace or does it carry any kind of special obligation for a higher standard? It used to, when I was coming up the colleges and institutions of higher education were considered to be in loco parentis.

    What if a spouse was a hittin' it with da players of said big time sports coach? Is it okey dokey then fer da coach to chase a lil skirt?

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  • Another aspect of the Coach Peterino situation that I think is worthy of consideration is the fact that he is/was hitting on the fiance of a fellow University of Arkansas worker. What kind of ethical standard is that for a public employee? I swear, I must be in the minority but every public organization I ever managed I always expected and in fact demanded a higher standard. "Conduct unbecoming" was a phrase that was used on more than one occasion in disciplining public employees under my watch.

    rickyk

  • If I were an Arkansas fan I would want Petrino fired right away because he hired a girl he was having an affair with which opens up the University and the Athletic Department up to an enormous civil suit for sexual harassment if (more likely when) the relationship breaks. It is not about the affair but rather the liability in which the University is exposed.

    UACatManDo

  • wineknow said...

    I will attribute that to your outstanding choice of school(s)!!!!

    I actually went to ASU for my MBA, but I'm sure that the curriculum in the UofA graduate business programs are very similar.

    CatAtTheSpot

  • wineknow said...

    I have no idea about Stoops other than what I've read here and no one has said anything specific. I was being hypothetical...

    WK, I wasn't addressing your message, but rather the point was directed toward a collage of information I have read on this site.

    I'm not saying the sources I've heard from are accurate, or unbiased toward coach Stoops. But simply, the information I heard is different than what has been written here. I really don't know what the truth is. Some have implicated Stoops as a philandering, skirt chasing son of a gun who brought down his marriage. That isn't what some well placed insiders told me.

    I'm not really addressing any one message. I'm just saying there are always two sides of the story, and sometimes even more.

    In my view Petrino doesn't get a pass. He gets fired. He is a jerk in my book, and I wouldn't want him coaching young men.

    On a coaching level, I don't think Stoops had the talent to exceed the highest level of Arizona Football history. And that historically is pick one, Smith, Young, Tomey. Tomey had a couple of the winningest seasons, and some average and mediocre ones.

    Despite my disagreement wih Stoops as a coach, I feel for him on a personal level, unless he is the cad that some have made him out to be. Whatever he truth is, these personal issues must have had an effect on his ability to lead the program, which buttresses my point that an individual simply cannot do whatever he pleases and not expect repercussions or consequences.

    BlkMtn

  • Now that, was a very good post B.M.

    rickyk

  • rickyk said...

    Another aspect of the Coach Peterino situation that I think is worthy of consideration is the fact that he is/was hitting on the fiance of a fellow University of Arkansas worker. What kind of ethical standard is that for a public employee? I swear, I must be in the minority but every public organization I ever managed I always expected and in fact demanded a higher standard. "Conduct unbecoming" was a phrase that was used on more than one occasion in disciplining public employees under my watch.

    RickyK,

    It is interesting to me that you were obviously incolcated into a public service culture that alweays strived to set a higher standard and I think that still exists in some organizations but not others and I bet it was never universal for public employees.

    It is alos interesting to me that higher quality private organizations set the asame goals for themselves and IMO, there need not be any distinction.

    Petrino really screwed up, IMO and public or private, he should be gone. If he was at Duke or any private school, I'd feel the same way.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Well it lloks like he is gone!! I think that is the right decision!

    CatsinCO

  • Wine: Very true. The father of modern bureaucracy, Max Weber, was the first, I think, to set out the observation that there was bureaucratization in both public and private organizations. He also thought that pursuit of truth took precedence over ideology or expediency and that is a quandary of pretty much all organizations today. The whistleblower becomes the "disgruntled ex-employee," the mid-level managers become cowards in outfits like Enron; and the chap at Goldman Sachs who resigns rather than continue to treat his customers as stooges is excoriated by one of the so-called experts on Bloomberg. Every day, people make choices in large organizations; turn the other way, report a better idea up; make a hire because the boss's nephew needs a job. Whatever it is. The point is that at the end of the day you can look in the mirror and know you were true to yourself and your core values, which you have hopefully "inculcated" your organization with.

    rickyk