In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 90
Online now 110 Record: 7245 (2/26/2012)
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
A quote from the AZ Star about the OL. Let the argument begin!
13. The offensive line will be a strength. Anchored by two pro-sized prospects in tackles Mickey Baucus and Fabbians Ebbele, the offensive line should flourish in Rodriguez's second season. Guards Chris Putton and Cayman Bundage both have a lot of game experience and there are a handful of solid candidates for the fifth spot. This all has to make Carey very happy.
Great. Can't wait to see them play.
"Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh
"We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi
Expect Putton at center.
Editor-In-Chief of Wildcat Sport Report and co-host of the Arizona football and basketball pre and postgame shows on 1490 and 104.9.
Putton will be at center. He is very tough and has a lot of game-savvy. He can lead.
I talked to a few old guys at the game, and everyone agreed that this line if it can stay healthy, will be one of our better lines in years, maybe one of our best ever.
I'll go with the opinions of a couple of retired pros.
That's very good news. With a talented, but probably new quarterback having Putton and the rest should shorten the learning curve. Not many question marks in the rest of the offense. One can only count the minutes.
Glenn Parker, who seems to be right more often than not about football, says he really thinks the new line coach will be good for us.
A Rose Bowl before I die Please!!!!
One thing I noticed in the spring game was a lot of low snaps in the shot gun. Was that Putton at center most of the game? Hopefully that gets worked out.
Brad, Who takes over at Putton's guard position?
isn't that interesting....
Win the battles in the trenches and you can win football games. Nice to see the youth finally evolving into aged veterans thanks to significant playing time for most over the past 2-3 seasons.
One thing I noticed in the early going of the spring scrimmage were the gaping running lanes created for our RBs. There were at least a handful of plays that the RB wasn't touched for the first 5-8 yards of the play. Defense made some nice adjustments in the second half of the scrimmage.
National Basketball Recruiting Analyst
Football Writers Association of America
U.S. Basketball Writers Association
Gary - I say this respectfully and I'm not bashing any coach or player. Not questioning work ethic, dedication or heart.
We've heard the same goddamn propaganda for ten years. Every damn year the line is going to be improved, stronger, older, healthier etc.... Two years ago we started 5 first year linemen all at the same time but don't worry, everyone wrote, they are sooooooo much more talented than their predecessors. They weren't. Last year they were supposed to be mature and strong, except that they almost all battled injuries all year. This year we've lost a couple and have some redshirts coming etc, etc....
I get that it is a constant, revolving door of graduation, injury, drop outs, etc. This year, on paper, the OL will be a strength... only several were hurt for spring practice. Chronically? Left over from the season? When was the last time Arizona's top, say 7, OL's were all 100% healthy at the same time? By fall I expect most of them to be injured and unable to play.
So again - I'm not bashing anyone here... but year after year we hear the same mantra and year after year, when it really matters, we can't get the job done. I'm skeptical and gonna believe it when I see it.
It is good to read that the run blocking may be improved - if you give Carey a few yards on most running plays, rather than have him hit in the backfield 50% of the time, we're gonna win some games and in improved pass protection and and we can be a force.
I am cautiously optimistic but not gonna count any chickens yet.
There have been some bad lines over the past 10 years and some really good lines. As much as you want to pretend last year's line was terrible, by the end of the season they were a terrific line. You can't have a potent offense and the nation's leading rusher without a good line.
Look at the points put up by this team over the past few seasons, you can't do that without good line play. One of Foles' years (junior?) he was hardly touched. Senior year, they were not very good and Arizona failed to go to a bowl game.
Carey was rarely, hit in the backfield as you suggest. YES, there were several times a game that he was, but you can't rush for 1,900 yards by yourself. I would not call last year's line great, but it was pretty darn good by the end of the year.
dead horse beaten again.
Putton will stay at center unless Gurrola, the JC transfer, comes in and shines. Guard candidates are probably Arzouman if healthy, Boyster, Carter Wood and maybe Eric Bender Ramsay.
Anyone on top? I know they don't have a depth chart yet.
Your assessment continues to be a bunch of fairy tales.
1. Coming into the season with an all new OL two years ago was a concern shared by all. Gross exaggeration never advances one's argument.
2. After the season started, we never dropped below the top 7 for a starting OL. After the first 4 games with the same starting OL, we never dropped below the top 8 for the rotation (Baucus, Putton, Quinn, Bisken, Ebbele, Zink, Bachman, and Bundage). NEWSFLASH: That's considered GOOD. It's almost unheard of for any team to start the same 5 for an entire season, often having to reach below the top 7 for starters. You can learn the game better by checking out other team's OL attrition and injury rates (and some in our conference, like UCLA and USC, haven't been pretty).
3. You ask, "When was the last time Arizona's top, say 7, OL's were all 100% healthy at the same time?" Answer: Our last game against Nevada. Our 5 starters, Baucus, Putton, Quinn, Bisken, and Ebbele were all healthy and started, and the three backups who played all year, Zink, Bachman, and Bundage, were all healthy and played. A person trying to present a case should always know the answer to their question before asking it -- otherwise, they can look foolish.
4. SEVERAL were hurt this year in spring practice? REALLY?? We have 13 returning OLs. One, Malvea, was held out rehabbing (he's on schedule). Arzouman, also rehabbing and on schedule, practiced. The other 11 were completely healthy all spring. Either learn our kids better, or learn to tell the truth.
5. The all-new OL DID prove to be better than their predecessors, even in their first year. Scoring went up from 28.2 to 30.8, total offense up from 439.4 to 464.8, and sacks down from 8th in the conference (32) to 4th (23). Learn the facts better.
6. No, Carey wasn't hit in the backfield 50% of the time (just another gross exaggeration that never advances one's argument). Carey was spectacular, but our 5.44 average per rush for 2nd (by far) in the conference wasn't all Carey. Scott's 4.48 was better than 9 other team's average, even Stanford's at 4.44. Jenkins' 4.37 was better than 5 other team's average in the conference. Everybody gets stuffed at the LOS and hit in the backfield, no matter how good their run game is. Try watching football more so you can educate yourself better.
7. You say, "in improved pass protection and and we can be a force." That "pathetic OL" as you call them that improved our sacks allowed from 32 (2.46) to 23 (1.92) in their first year, improved again to 2nd in the conference with 18 (1.39 allowed). And that was accomplished while running nearly 200 more plays that the previous year. Continuing to Ignore those facts only means that the word "pathetic" belongs in your court.
When you objectively look at the facts versus your fairy tales, I don't believe in the history of Internet posting there's ever been a more laughable case than the one you continue to try to make. Let me know if there are too many facts or words for you to absorb.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by catnaz 12 months ago
Damn I almost cried that was so beautiful. Great post catnaz.
Time to nut up or shut up
Darned logic and fact again.
I do wish you guys would stop including quotes in your posts though. It means I have to see them.
The line will be good again. ;)
Oh...and Kyle Quinn is in the NF-friggin'-L.
Yea... I cried when we could not run the ball a yard and 1/2 to maintain possession and win the Stanford game. Pretty Sure the OSU game was similar situation. I also cried when Matt Scott started throwing up after every series, I know, I know, it wasn't a concussion, he just throws up all the time and he played exactly the same after the ...um...upchuck as he did in games before.... I also cried when we were almost unable to get a first down the entire game against Oregon. BTW there were tons of excuses about how the OL is banged up and there were other posts about our OL not doing well after the Oregon game.
How many all conference OL's do we have? Oh yea. Zero.
The "concussion" that Matt Scott suffered was down field, sooooo yea, not sure how that's the olines fault. Stanford couldn't gain 1 yard on 4 straight plays from the one yard line against Notre dame, does their oline suck???? Also we amassed 617 yards and scored 47 points in the Stanford game, must have been a pretty shitty oline in order for that to happen, or maybe it was Stanford's terrible top 20 defense that allowed that to happen.
Your points are so convincing and obviously loaded with facts, especially when you use phrases like "pretty sure"!
The Oregon game we actually moved the ball well to start and had quite a few redzone opportunities, and squandered them all. Scott was picked off 3 times, none of them were the result of bad oline play. Scott was also injured in that game early on a play down field, again not the olines fault. Your stupid exaggerations, like saying we didn't get one first down the entire game, make your points, if possible, even less convincing.
Good post Beerman.
I think we still have a way to go in picking up that one tough yard in certain situations. But ignoring the stats above in this OL's terrific improvement in pass protection for two straight years, the emergence of a consistently very fine run game with some holes you could drive a Mac truck through, silly rebuttals about Scott getting speared downfield after a nice pickup and throwing up, and hanging onto the belief that the OL was "pathetic," is truly asinine.
Is this wineknow guy actually Tillman Tunnel? Sarcasm, gross exaggeration, ignorance of facts, and selective amnesia never advance one's argument, so I just have to assume he's a very slow learner.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by catnaz 11 months ago
Yes Catnaz, i agree, all all teams t different points have a tough time picking up that tough "1 yard" in certain situations. That is why they play the game. Any thing less and why would anyone go to the game or watch on TV?
My guess is that Baucus and Ebbele, who were sophs last year, will also be in the NFL. Wineknow talked about how we had NFL OLs in the past, but not this OL. Well, none of the OLs we had in the past were in the NFL when they were sophs either.
I just had some G2 fall my way. Putt on will be at center with Arzouman as backup unless there is a big change in the fall. Faafoi and Bundage at guard.
We may have to bring in our insultant to give them the extra training he requires. ;)
Wineknow, no one handed you a shovel but you kept digging your hole deeper.
Our yards gained and points scored last year had nothing to do with the Offensive Line. And because Kadeem Carey was hit behind the line so much, he didn't lead the nation in rushing, and have the most spectacular season ever at Arizona for a running back.
Oh, wait a minute, it did, he wasn't and he did.
But you did have the appropriate amount of hyperbole and exaggeration for one of your posts.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports