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Good article on Cats O-line!

  • I thought i heard we needed to cut all of them because they sucked!

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  • Reading down further it looks like BYU is making a push for the PAC, they play 3 PAC teams this year.

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  • BYU will never get a Pac invite.

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  • BradAllis said...

    BYU will never get a Pac invite.

    Don't know the politics, but, IMO if we need to expand, BYU has a rock solid athletic department and would be a good, competitive addition. My first choice, however would be Kansas. It would kill the Big whatever they are now conference and force the Texas schools (well, Texas anyway) to deal with reality. UCLA, AZ and Kansas in the same league.... even if football is all that matters, some TV execs would be bound to notice that little gem of info...Also, KU's football, although nothing special, is at least as good as most mid tier PAC-12 schools.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Ehh, as everyone knows I hate to ever disagree with Wine, but KU football is not even as good as WSU or Oregon State football right now and probably won't be with Charley at the helm.

    rickyk

  • One thing i do have to say is that kansas has been to a BCS bowl game not too long ago.

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  • If you're going to take a B12 school you have to take a Texas school. Have to. TV market and recruiting demand it. The P12 would be insane to take KU and the B12 wouldn't care...KU and KSU were on the verge of bring dropped if the big 3 had merged into the P10.

    Adding teams is about money, pure and simple.

    Kainoakat

  • Yeah they were in a BCS bowl 3 coaches ago when Mangino was there. Turner Gill didn't convert to the Big 12 and Weiss won't either.

    rickyk

  • BYU has no chance and never will. PAC 12 Presidents will not allow. Not a research university. Plus they have their own network and that won't fly just as Texas wouldn't give up or share money from their Longhorn network.

    BlkMtn

  • rickyk said...

    Ehh, as everyone knows I hate to ever disagree with Wine, but KU football is not even as good as WSU or Oregon State football right now and probably won't be with Charley at the helm.

    Past five years:

    KU 30-32, a 12-1 season in 07 and BCS bowl appearance (and win)
    AZ 32-31, two unremarkable 8 win seasons and no BCS bowl

    Pretty sure WSU is not much worse than AZ and I bet Oregon State is well ahead of us.

    Yes, KU is horrible right now, and whether Weiss can get the job done or not remains to be seen. He has some recruiting co-ordinator named Rob Ianello.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Kainoakat said...

    If you're going to take a B12 school you have to take a Texas school. Have to. TV market and recruiting demand it. The P12 would be insane to take KU and the B12 wouldn't care...KU and KSU were on the verge of bring dropped if the big 3 had merged into the P10.

    Adding teams is about money, pure and simple.

    Sure. My point about KU is that they are are a lynch pin. Pull them (or anyone) out of the big 12 and the Texas house of cards collapses - which then LEADS to getting Texas. Texas in the PAc-12 would change everything and I doubt they could be so self centered with USC in the mix.

    This post was edited by wineknow on 6/21/2012 at 1:01 PM

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    wineknow

  • Wine, he had Ianello at N.D. as well. How did that work out? A 12-1 season 3 coaches ago does not diminish my assertion. If you want, you can go all the way back to when they had John Hadl and Bert Coan and the like but we are talking about right now. Turner Gill never got it together in his two years and they are much lower in the food chain than we are, than WSU is or than Oregon St., is right now. You're going to make me go look up the past two or three year records for all, aren't you?

    rickyk

  • rickyk said...

    Wine, he had Ianello at N.D. as well. How did that work out? A 12-1 season 3 coaches ago does not diminish my assertion. If you want, you can go all the way back to when they had John Hadl and Bert Coan and the like but we are talking about right now. Turner Gill never got it together in his two years and they are much lower in the food chain than we are, than WSU is or than Oregon St., is right now. You're going to make me go look up the past two or three year records for all, aren't you?

    I cheer for all10 other PAC-12 teams out of conference, even the cheaters at Oregon and USC. I do not personally recognize ASSWIPEWU as part of the PAC-12.

    In college int he mid 1980's, I made the argument that the PAC-10 was a better over all conference than any other because the bottom 1/2 was much stronger. At the time most of the pre-season magazines were heavily slanted towards the Big 10, the way they are now (and rightfully so) about the SEC. I noted that we did not have Northwestern, Minnesota, Indiana, Wisconsin (most of whom were just dismal year after year).

    But now the PAC-12 is horrendous. USC is the only team in the south last year that has any national credibility. Oregon and Stanford in the north. Even the mid tier teams (Cal, Washington) are few and light. The rest - UCLA, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Oregon State, WSU...are third rate teams and we're right at the bottom of that list looking up a steep, tall mountain. No matter how bad any Big 12, SEC or Big 10 team is these days, the bottom feeders of the PAC-12, such as ourselves, cannot make any claims to be any better, IMO.

    Ay team that's been to a BCS bowl in the past 5 years is WAAAAAAY ahead of where we are and with the recruiting class we just landed, and our reliance on our returning players, it's no going to get any better. I am amazed that the 2013 class is shaping up so well, but most of those guys will not see significant action until the fall of 2014 or 2015.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Wine,

    How on earth are you qualified to judge the incoming class? Half of them have yet to arrive in Tucson and none of them have had the chance to show the all-knowing Wineknow, one way or the other, what they can do. Wait to pass judgement until you have witnessed firsthand. Until then, just stop. Please.

    Beermancats ●

  • I really think the pack should have brought Byu instead of Colorado. With the rivalry with Utah there it would gave been perfect for pac 10

    darkhand44

  • Yes we don't know about this class personally I think Allen is going to be dlyhe diamond of the class. That said no matter talented or not if they buy in and put themselves into the system rich rod has shown that he can win. I am optimistic and hope rich rod knows what he is doing because I want to believe he will get them to a place where stoops couldn't.

    darkhand44

  • Every top football preseason has the Pac-12 ranked third strongest behind the SEC and Big 10. That's powerful company.

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    Gary Randazzo

  • Beermancats said...

    Wine,

    How on earth are you qualified to judge the incoming class? Half of them have yet to arrive in Tucson and none of them have had the chance to show the all-knowing Wineknow, one way or the other, what they can do. Wait to pass judgement until you have witnessed firsthand. Until then, just stop. Please.

    Beerman,

    I am not claiming to be an expert but I don't think you can dispute some objective facts about Arizona Football in 2012:

    Arizona won 4 meaningless games last year (yes, ASU was meaningful to us, but not from a national perspective), lost it's starting QB and top receiver, have an unproven O line (supposedly our best unit in an article posted a week ago) and no proven running game and a new coach who's offense relies on at least some running plays. We have an unproven (putting it nicely) DL, 1.5 scholarship LB's left with any D1 experience and a competent group of DB's who are solid but over rated. Nobody thinks our special teams are a strength. Our new coach landed the 11th or 12th best class in the conference, depending on the source. So while AZ hopes the O-line will be better as they mature, that Scott can be a real surprise and that Carey is going to come into his own as a PAC-12 RB and we hope that the new defensive scheme will favor our DB heavy roster... the simple fact is that Arizona does not have the talent or experience to compete in the upper tier of the PAC-12 and not one person who writes articles about our recruiting thinks we landed anyone who can change that. We all love under dogs and long shots who work out and if we were loaded with talent right now, it wouldn't matter. Maybe they turn out to be the 6th or 7th best, but I doubt when all is said and done they are a top 5 class in PAC-12 and thats what we need to land if we are going to climb up at all.

    The over all point is simply that AZ FB fans should not judge another program as unworthy of membership in the pac-12. Yea, Kansas is horrible. But how is that any different than Arizona? Or Washington State? Or ASU? Or Colorado? Or...

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • ASU was meaningful to us, but not from a national perspective? When you get down to it, I guess none of USC's games the past two years have been meaningful from a national perspective, Stanford's win over USC was not meaningful since they weren't going to the BCS Title game anyway, and the only meaningful game from a national perspective was Okla St., vs OK, with OSU having a possible shot at a BCS Title if their coach had done some major lobbying and Mack Brown-style whining. With the exception of OSU, the only meaningful games from a national perspective occurred in the SEC, no?

    rickyk

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