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  • I'm sure everyone here gets Greg Byrne's Weekly email updates. I've made no secret that I think we hit the jackpot when he was hired as AD but there was one aspect of the latest email that I didn't like one bit. They are going to be putting warning signs up all over athletic facilities that says to "Report suspicious behavior" and he goes on to site 911. I really despise this new alarmist atmosphere we live in these days. Of course I'm going to report it if I see some Taliban looking guy with his bag smoking or ticking, at least after I'm well out of the blast radius. However, putting up those ridiculous signs fosters a culture of fear and reactionary paranoia. Just like the color coded threat assessment that was manipulated for political gain, these signs are there to for two reasons, to make people compliant through fear and to foster a culture of informant snitching on your neighbors. Most people I know who fly as often as I do despise the new reality at the airport and have contempt for the TSA and their persistent disregard for the sixth amendment. I will say though that the Tucson TSA people are more respectful than the national average. But, if there was a hell, bin ladin would be laughing up at us because the terrorist have won, by making our society fearful little sheep that allow their rights to be infringed for the nonresistant illusion of safety.

    Sorry, Rant over. Football Blog, I know

    A Rose Bowl before I die Please!!!!

    King of Daleks

  • King,

    I think this has more to do with the Penn St thing then the Taliban. Atleast that is how I took it.

    This post was edited by CatsinCO on 8/9/2012 at 10:34 AM

    CatsinCO

  • A pretty good rant if you ask me, and some good writing.

    Steve Buchanan

  • Agreed.

    Ashton

  • CatsinCO said...

    King,

    I think this has more to do with the Penn St thing then the Taliban. Atleast that is how I took it.

    Everytime I go to Arizona Stadium I always have my guard up for pedophiles. They just seem to be everywhere there.

    In fact, this year I'm considering wearing a pair of steel lederhosen.....just to be safe.

    NogalesJerry

  • Hmm, now that I read it again with a clear head, its not really as bad as I thought. He's talking about calling 911 not sep 11. but if it is about the Penn State thing, it should read, Watch for Pedophiles. Still don't like the idea though.

    A Rose Bowl before I die Please!!!!

    King of Daleks

  • I report every Lil Forker I see on campus already. It doesn't get much more suspicious than a Lil Forker let out in public from the landfill.

    Bear Down Arizona! Wildcat Sports Report, CFO AZ's Certified Tax Coach at Wildcat Tax & Accountingwww.WildcatTax.com

    bpwildcat

  • It is a slight over reaction to the Penn State thing. To me not that big of a deal, but a reminder that we tend to overcorrect on things like that. The UA did some similar things with recruiting coverage after the Cactus Classic issues.

    Editor-In-Chief of Wildcat Sport Report and co-host of the Arizona football and basketball pre and postgame shows on 1290 KCUB.

    BradAllis

  • BradAllis said...

    It is a slight over reaction to the Penn State thing. To me not that big of a deal, but a reminder that we tend to overcorrect on things like that. The UA did some similar things with recruiting coverage after the Cactus Classic issues.

    Not to mention the cuts in the media booth following the LSU and Miami? thing a year or so ago.

    Bear Down Arizona! Wildcat Sports Report, CFO AZ's Certified Tax Coach at Wildcat Tax & Accountingwww.WildcatTax.com

    bpwildcat

  • King of Daleks said...

    I've made no secret that I think we hit the jackpot when he was hired as AD....

    I think just about everyone agrees with this.

    I think even Rickyk (please correct me if I am wrong) would admit that the best of the best are going to make decisions that not everyone can agree with (i.e. artificial turf) but that Byrne appears to be a near perfect fit for what we needed.

    I bet some risk management person told hem that they needed to do something visible to show they are top of the situation and given the grossly unfair and unjust manner in which the NCAA came down on Penn State, I'd be horrified that if anything even remotely like that was happening at Arizona (again I'll use the Rosborough analogy, even though he is not in any way suspect) it would mean the end of our athletic department as we know it.

    Penn State is basically brought down to our level for a few seasons. We have no where to go but to lower level competition if they did something like that to us. Maybe we could win int he Mountain West, but I don't want to find that out.

    Those signs are for posterity, IMO.

    Jerry - where to you buy your liederhosen?

    This post was edited by wineknow on 8/9/2012 at 3:42 PM

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Reading the fresh report and other reports of unethical behavior makes me feel confident Paternoster knew and the whole program was just about protecting their players that intentionally injured fellow students and assisting a child rapist in his crimes by allowing him to walk free since the second incident allowing him to still take children into the showers of the school to create more victims personally I hope the NCAA does allow the appeal do an investigation and give them the death penatly for five years for obviously not getting it that the people that were controlling the program harbored and assisted in several violent crimes against kids. The you are not punishing the people involved is a joke. I wish Paternoster was alive I would love to see him in chains and in jail right now. I hope he likes burning in he'll and hope he is being sodimized like the kids that he allowed to be. If the entire leadership of a university fails that institution must suffer. CEOs run companies into the ground steal peoples money and the businesses that they run take the bulk of the punishment and it is the employees that pay it. Joe Pa was an evil human being Sandusky is a monster and the leadership looked the other way.

    darkhand44

  • The culture that was created at Penn State is what we should be guarding against and on the look-out for more than dialing up 9-1-1 every on a moment's notice. And what was the culture that created so far 4 indictments, one trial and conviction on multiple counts, quite possibly 3 more convictions to come in short order and possibly more indictments; all of which goes to show that the former Penn State board members and players appealing the NCAA sanction really are whacked when it comes to priorities. I'd be ashamed to even have my name associated with such an appeal since football at PSU created a culture that became a cauldron of victims for the ultimate chicken hawk.

    Now, I'd like to add that people ought to read the account of that lady who was an academic compliance officer who was fighting Joe Pa tooth and nail.

    I think Byrne is fine, Wine. I didn't call for him to be fired like so many Wildcat fans were last year when Sean Miller was interviewing with Maryland. However, in considering some of your posts over the past few years maybe he should have been canned for waiting so long to can Mike :-). I do think he will have a problem with RR that is going to bite him in a few years and may well be fostering the same thing with S.M. It's called the tail wagging the dog and it's hard at times to remember who works for who and I believe if you lose that in that sort of job, you'll be very sorry. Certainly, we've all heard that in reality Tim Curly worked for Joe Pa at PSU. One aspect of this syndrome cropped up last week and I'm referring now to the company line about how they could not discuss anything about the pre-trip practices or how things looked for UA hoops by suggesting some kind of NCAA restriction. Then when Hansen got on it, the story changed a bit to, "Well Sean wanted to keep a lid on things," and we have release of a video that would be just as much a violation of any purported NCAA regs as well. The reality is the UofA wants to control what the media flow is coming out of the Athletic Department in much the same way that the White House, the Pentagon or any number of city halls and state houses in America do. Please, I am not suggesting that RR, SM or Byrne are Chomos or even cover-up artists but I am suggesting that a climate that existed at PSU came about over a number of years due to blind allegiance and no accountability for power. Power tends to corrupt and absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely.

    This post was edited by rickyk on 8/9/2012 at 10:25 PM

    rickyk

  • The signs are the result of a new UA policy set forth by the facilities and risk management people.

    The signs aren't pointed at the Penn State mess at all, but are driven by a combination of factors and newly identified risk areas for universities around the country. Homeland Security and other agencies have been involved in identifying these risks.

    Think ....shootings at several universities like Virginia Tech, more recently a movie theater; threats of bombings; the Giffords shooting, foreign and domestic terrorism, and a whole long list. So if signs remind one person who would otherwise be oblivious, then maybe that person will be the one to save several others.

    Like it or not, it's just a fact of modern life. We have to watch out for each other or as a society, we are nothing.

    I'd rather be offended by a sign than be hit by shrapnel.

    RBob1

    RBob1

  • Those who would trade freedom for safety deserve neither.

    A Rose Bowl before I die Please!!!!

    King of Daleks

  • Well now if Homeland Security is involved, even remotely, then I'm worried. How long till we get flashlights up the kazoo before entering a stadium?

    This post was edited by rickyk on 8/10/2012 at 12:09 AM

    rickyk

  • I am not going to get involved in this tread to the best of my ability, but lets just say there is a very fine line to be walked. There are very few absolutes except to say that freedom should be cherished, but reality is a cold hard fact unfortunately.

    Penn State aside, anyone remember what happened outside of the OU stadium in Norman in 2005 how many of you know the real story there?

    All it takes is one person bent on destroying lives to give us the ability to reflect on our perspectives.

    Doesn't matter if the person is a nutter, maniac, a terrorist, or some guy simply driven to settle a score of ills.

    Eyes wide open folks.

    This post was edited by wato on 8/10/2012 at 1:22 AM

    wato

  • darkhand44 said...

    Reading the fresh report and other reports of unethical behavior makes me feel confident Paternoster knew and the whole program was just about protecting their players that intentionally injured fellow students and assisting a child rapist in his crimes by allowing him to walk free since the second incident allowing him to still take children into the showers of the school to create more victims personally I hope the NCAA does allow the appeal do an investigation and give them the death penatly for five years for obviously not getting it that the people that were controlling the program harbored and assisted in several violent crimes against kids. The you are not punishing the people involved is a joke. I wish Paternoster was alive I would love to see him in chains and in jail right now. I hope he likes burning in he'll and hope he is being sodimized like the kids that he allowed to be. If the entire leadership of a university fails that institution must suffer. CEOs run companies into the ground steal peoples money and the businesses that they run take the bulk of the punishment and it is the employees that pay it. Joe Pa was an evil human being Sandusky is a monster and the leadership looked the other way.

    ...and you got all of that from the 'Fresh' report? Spell check error aside, it is clear you did not read the Freh report or did not understand it.

    I read every single word and it was not fun and I agree that there is absolutely no question that Jo Paterno should have done more. But that is the worst thing you can say, at least based on the report.

    But, in fact, the report clearly shows he was the one of the three people most involved who wanted there to be more done. But his superiors sat on their hands and told him not to worry about it despite his repeated efforts to get them to 'have Jerry talk to some one', and that was over an incident where nothing actually happened, so I don't think any of them, at that point, realized how bad it was.

    That's the most incriminating item about Paterno in the entire report.

    That's what the Freh report says. Now granted, it is specious and unreliable because it has not been vetted or challenged (or apparently even read by key decision makers at the NCAA) or in any way validated, corroborated but the NCAA, ESPN and Congress seem to accept it as gospel (another largely unsubstantiated document). The court cases should expose more information and validate or debunk various points in the report.

    It does not say, anywhere, that Paterno is guilty of anything, it does not even hint that he knew the extent of Sandusky's activities, nor does it suggest that he had any direct part in helping Sandusky or protecting Sandusky in any way. It notes that his testimony was consistent with other testimony and it identifies the culture at Penn State as the culprit. Obviously he was, in part, the architect of that culture, but the fact that it protected Sandusky was not intentional or by design. Lute had the exact same status at Arizona... no one would have ever questioned him. Had Rosborough been a child rapist, we'd be in the same situation. That's not because Lute is evil or would want children harmed, it's an unfortunate byproduct of a program's success.

    From the report it is entirely unclear how much he knew or suspected - and when you look at a man's life and what he stood for and what he accomplished - it is totally incongruent with who he was to say that he knew, even remotely, what was going on and decided to protect his program over the safety and well being of children. In fact, protecting his program would have dictated that he turn Sandusky in, not protect him and in fact he brought it to his bosses' attention and asked repeatedly for an answer on the matter.

    All this shit about Paterno being guilty of anything is purely the interpretation of the media desperate for a story, feeding a lynch mob mentality comprised mostly of ignorant people who can't think for themselves and hide their zealous fervor behind the guise of caring about the victims.

    Odds of him being in jail right now if he were alive: zero. Odds that 20 years from now the Penn State case study will be a benchmark of one of the worst miscarriages of justice in NCAA history: 100%. The Freh report acted as whistle blower, investigator, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. How can that be anything but wrong? Oh yea I forgot... 'concern' for the victims dictates revenge, not justice.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • rickyk said...

    Well now if Homeland Security is involved, even remotely, then I'm worried. How long till we get flashlights up the kazoo before entering a stadium?

    The nine most terrifying words in the English language...."I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but technically, is it not true that any talks with Miller and Maryland never got to an interview stage?

    Someone with some inside information, can't remember who right now told me that.

    Anyway, it may be simply how one would categorize the episode, but what I gathered was that the MD AD may have done the pursuit, but it wasn't as much an interest on Millers part as it was on Marylands part. Also, I had heard that Byrne was on top of the situation from the get go, and that the agreements that were finalized on paper for extra money for assistants etc., had been in the works and agreed upon months earlier.

    Steve Buchanan

  • Lets not get to caught up in what might or might not happen sometime in the future... Rich Rod and Miller are both here now and I suspect that both will stay for a while...

    Miller for sure knows that Arizona can pull in the elite players that he will need to win it all... As long as his family likes it here he will stay...

    As for Rich Rod, if he is able to get this turned around quickly i think he will stay too... if it turns into a struggle to pull in elite players he thinks he will need to win a a high level, then he might jump at the first opportunity that comes his way...

    Either way they are here now so lets enjoy it while we can... In the words of the late Teddy Kennedy " We will cross that bridge when we get to it"...... or if you like " When I returned Mary Jo and the cah were gone"....

    Bear Down

    This post was edited by Pin High on 8/10/2012 at 10:20 AM

    Pin High

  • Steve Buchanan said...

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but technically, is it not true that any talks with Miller and Maryland never got to an interview stage?

    Someone with some inside information, can't remember who right now told me that.

    Anyway, it may be simply how one would categorize the episode, but what I gathered was that the MD AD may have done the pursuit, but it wasn't as much an interest on Millers part as it was on Marylands part. Also, I had heard that Byrne was on top of the situation from the get go, and that the agreements that were finalized on paper for extra money for assistants etc., had been in the works and agreed upon months earlier.

    Correct.

    Bear Down Arizona! Wildcat Sports Report, CFO AZ's Certified Tax Coach at Wildcat Tax & Accountingwww.WildcatTax.com

    bpwildcat

  • So you guys are saying they never met at all with Miller getting turned off by the Maryland AD munching on a cheeseburger while greeting Sean? Man, I must have been delusional while reading that.

    But the greater point was there were a lot of people all over the place who wanted to string Byrne up for not having gotten Miller's signature on a new contract before things got to that point--which you guys are saying now never happened.

    rickyk

  • A bunch of hypercritics jumped the gun. Miller was contacted by Maryland, the MD AD "assumed" that Miller would interview, but when Miller talked to him, Miller showed no interest. The MD AD then acted like a jerk and trashed Miller to try covering his tracks for not bringing home the Sean.

    Much ado about very little.

    RBob1

    RBob1

  • you know this is a true wildcat board when we start off with trying to prevent terrorist attacks and end up discussing Miller going to Marylandargue

    beat oregon

  • Beat ou... you got that right.... we always find a way to work ourselves back to what really matters.....

    BTW... phuk ou... my ex in-laws were big daisy duck fans and they were fing insufferable... to make things worse the duck butter shits moved to Phx to be closer to their daughter and went out of their way to root for asu, just to piss me off... What really proves that they were idiots is that this all took place when we had the ducks number (Daryl Lewis/musgrave at the goal line bring back memories???)... and to drive home the point that the excessive eugene rain rotted their skulls to much, we were in the the midst of the streak against aswipeu (Helix High grad Cecil for 106 yards ring a bell???).... But all in all I got the best of it as I ****** their daughter and moved on without shedding a tear....

    a true Wildcat til I die......

    Bear Down

    Pin High