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The A-10 Thunderbolt analogy for our next coach.

  • It’s not who should be our next coach it’s what should be our next coach.

    Let me explain by analogy. In the fall of 1985 I took a class called US-Soviet Military History with Dr. Oswald. Medical Redshirt Steve Kerr and I became friends in that class – but I digress. Dr. Oswald spent ½ a semester telling us how awesome the Soviets were. We read about soviet troop strength assessments in Afghanistan and we compared the number of tanks each country had. The Russians (keep in mind the cold war was at a crescendo in 1985 – Reagan is calling them the ‘Evil Empire’.. etc..) literally had something like 8 tanks for every one of ours. Holy Crap!!! What if a war broke out? They literally could steamroll us with the 80,000 tanks they had while our paltry little force of 10,000 tanks would get crushed! OMG – we better start building some tanks!!!! Right?

    But we didn’t. In the second ½ of the class we learned about our response to the mighty Russians. We built the A10. The only true ground attack aircraft the Air Force has ever built and they have hated it since day one – but other than the C-130, it is likely the most important and successful plane the Air Force has had since WW2. The A10’s were stationed at Davis Monthan while I was growing up and I remember the high pitched whistle of the engines over head – a very unique sound. The plane is ugly as sin. The pilots call it ‘Warthog’ rather than the official name; ‘Thunderbolt’. The cockpit is built around a 6” thick titanium ‘bathtub’. There’s a monster of a gun in the nose and so much armor on the plane that’s it’s top speed is slower than Keola Antolin. The dumb asses in the Air Force have cancelled the program 15 times and brought it back every time we’ve gone to war. Guess what it does? It kills tanks. LOTS of ‘em! In 2003’s Operation Iraqi Freedom a single A10 recorded 13 tank kills on one single mission. We’ve got 700+ of these planes… do the math.

    The point is that our next football coach need to be an outside the box thinker. We can’t win an arms race against USC (or Texas or Oklahoma) until we win a lot more games. So we need an A10. Tomey designed a giant killer defense and against the rising tide of prolific offenses in the PAC-10 back then… hey that was a pretty good idea. Texas Tech realized they were at a huge disadvantage in the BIG 12 (Lubbock is surpassed on the shit hole index only by El Paso) so they ‘invented’ an offense and frustrated the hell out of everyone in their conference for a few years – but they did crazy stuff to achieve that. The Double Eagle Flex and Texas Tech offenses are long gone has-beens (yea, you heard me wake the F*** up and realize our so called ‘offense’ managed 24 points in the last two games) but THEY WORKED in their time and they worked especially well against the very teams the two schools were under matched against.

    This is why Vanilla and Chocolate do not work at Arizona, because all things being equal – we will always be a second rate program. We have to take steps to change that. We need rainbow sherbet! If the competition builds big, powerful teams, recruit speed and FB IQ. If they build a great offense, recruit great defensive players. But for the love of god, stop trying to run when we have an O-line that can’t run block and no proven running backs, just because that’s what traditionally is the right call. Throw caution to the wind and take chances. You are going to lose anyway. INVENT something. Be creative. That’s WHAT we need our next coach to be. WHO it is, is less important.

    BTW – I think the A10’s left Tucson about the time Tomey did.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Wine:

    A-10's are still here homie, in fact they provide all the official pre-game fly-overs I've seen.

    (Though 4 F-16's buzzed the mall during the tailgate in formation this past weekend)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis%E2%80%93Monthan_Air_Force_Base

    Tate

  • Tate said...

    Wine:

    A-10's are still here homie, in fact they provide all the official pre-game fly-overs I've seen.

    (Though 4 F-16's buzzed the mall during the tailgate in formation this past weekend)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davis%E2%80%93Monthan_Air_Force_Base

    Yes they are! My Dad was the Squadron Commander at DM back in the late 80's. I love that bird/tank/kickass.

    Wildcat_Brad

  • My bad.... not in Tucson much anymore and just haven't noticed them. I thought someone said they had been transferred, but I am glad they are here.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • FYI, Kerr was a medical RS in 86-87.

    Bear Down Arizona! Wildcat Sports Report, CFO AZ's Certified Tax Coach at Wildcat Tax & Accountingwww.WildcatTax.com

    bpwildcat

  • Had to be fall of 86 then....

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • Your best post of all time minus one thing: Arizona is still not running Tech's offense. Tech would never have a QB go 17-17 then run eight times in 16 plays in the second half.

    Editor-In-Chief of Wildcat Sport Report and co-host of the Arizona football and basketball pre and postgame shows on 1290 KCUB.

    BradAllis

  • Love the passion wineknow, even if I don't agree with you (yet?). Keep it coming.

    This post was edited by blueleaf11 on 9/20/2011 at 5:25 PM

    blueleaf11

  • wineknow said...

    It’s not who should be our next coach it’s what should be our next coach.

    Let me explain by analogy. In the fall of 1985 I took a class called US-Soviet Military History with Dr. Oswald. Medical Redshirt Steve Kerr and I became friends in that class – but I digress. Dr. Oswald spent ½ a semester telling us how awesome the Soviets were. We read about soviet troop strength assessments in Afghanistan and we compared the number of tanks each country had. The Russians (keep in mind the cold war was at a crescendo in 1985 – Reagan is calling them the ‘Evil Empire’.. etc..) literally had something like 8 tanks for every one of ours. Holy Crap!!! What if a war broke out? They literally could steamroll us with the 80,000 tanks they had while our paltry little force of 10,000 tanks would get crushed! OMG – we better start building some tanks!!!! Right?

    But we didn’t. In the second ½ of the class we learned about our response to the mighty Russians. We built the A10. The only true ground attack aircraft the Air Force has ever built and they have hated it since day one – but other than the C-130, it is likely the most important and successful plane the Air Force has had since WW2. The A10’s were stationed at Davis Monthan while I was growing up and I remember the high pitched whistle of the engines over head – a very unique sound. The plane is ugly as sin. The pilots call it ‘Warthog’ rather than the official name; ‘Thunderbolt’. The cockpit is built around a 6” thick titanium ‘bathtub’. There’s a monster of a gun in the nose and so much armor on the plane that’s it’s top speed is slower than Keola Antolin. The dumb asses in the Air Force have cancelled the program 15 times and brought it back every time we’ve gone to war. Guess what it does? It kills tanks. LOTS of ‘em! In 2003’s Operation Iraqi Freedom a single A10 recorded 13 tank kills on one single mission. We’ve got 700+ of these planes… do the math.

    The point is that our next football coach need to be an outside the box thinker. We can’t win an arms race against USC (or Texas or Oklahoma) until we win a lot more games. So we need an A10. Tomey designed a giant killer defense and against the rising tide of prolific offenses in the PAC-10 back then… hey that was a pretty good idea. Texas Tech realized they were at a huge disadvantage in the BIG 12 (Lubbock is surpassed on the shit hole index only by El Paso) so they ‘invented’ an offense and frustrated the hell out of everyone in their conference for a few years – but they did crazy stuff to achieve that. The Double Eagle Flex and Texas Tech offenses are long gone has-beens (yea, you heard me wake the F*** up and realize our so called ‘offense’ managed 24 points in the last two games) but THEY WORKED in their time and they worked especially well against the very teams the two schools were under matched against.

    This is why Vanilla and Chocolate do not work at Arizona, because all things being equal – we will always be a second rate program. We have to take steps to change that. We need rainbow sherbet! If the competition builds big, powerful teams, recruit speed and FB IQ. If they build a great offense, recruit great defensive players. But for the love of god, stop trying to run when we have an O-line that can’t run block and no proven running backs, just because that’s what traditionally is the right call. Throw caution to the wind and take chances. You are going to lose anyway. INVENT something. Be creative. That’s WHAT we need our next coach to be. WHO it is, is less important.

    BTW – I think the A10’s left Tucson about the time Tomey did.

    Not the first to respond, but I haven't read anything else.

    Pretty fair analysis. Actually I think the A-10's are still around DM. My next door neighbor was an A-10 pilot. You know why they kill tanks? Because the shell has a plutonium cap (I think, or some rare hard hard metal) and it's about 18 inches long, maybe 20, and about 3-4 inches around. I asked him how many were shot by the Gatling gun cannon that the plane is built around, in a minute, and he scratched his chin and said, "well in a minute, I don't know, but about 80 of these a second. Unbelievable.

    I agree that we do need some advanced thought processes. But some parts of football are constant, like blocking, tackling, etc., and at this level, our team has some basic defects, at this level, of those primary skills.

    BlkMtn

  • BlkMtn said...

    Not the first to respond, but I haven't read anything else.

    Pretty fair analysis. Actually I think the A-10's are still around DM. My next door neighbor was an A-10 pilot. You know why they kill tanks? Because the shell has a plutonium cap (I think, or some rare hard hard metal) and it's about 18 inches long, maybe 20, and about 3-4 inches around. I asked him how many were shot by the Gatling gun cannon that the plane is built around, in a minute, and he scratched his chin and said, "well in a minute, I don't know, but about 80 of these a second. Unbelievable.

    I agree that we do need some advanced thought processes. But some parts of football are constant, like blocking, tackling, etc., and at this level, our team has some basic defects, at this level, of those primary skills.

    Depleted uranium casing on the bullet, not plutonium. BIG diff.

    Not a weapons guy but if I recall correctly the depleted uranium (means no fissionable material - the stuff that makes things go boom or create the neutrons for nuclear power plants) heats on impact, obviously very rapidly, melting / softening the armor thus allowing the bullet to enter and explode from the inside. Been many years since I had that discussion.

    nukengr

  • I guess that's why they call you Nuke!

    BlkMtn

  • D-M currently has 3 squadrons of A-10s. They did a flyover of the players getting off the buses before the Stanford game. The Warthogs were also seen daily during the mid-90s when I was at the UofA.

    I like the idea of going different with respect to strategy. The Texas Tech spread is a good story, but I think their offense is going to become more common going forward. Oregon's offense is certainly cutting-edge, and is very difficult to stop partially due to their talented roster.

    Avant garde defenses are a different story. Some teams run a 4-2-5 D, and it seems like more programs are running 3-4 Ds these days, but there doesn't seem to be much innovation right now. Defense in the NFL has become centered around blitzing, and the most notable result has been an increase in passing. Expect to see the same thing in college football. Spread-type offenses begetting blitzing resulting in even more passing because offenses realize that the risk/reward ratio favors passing instead of running when defenses attempt to flood the box and overwhelm the offensive line.

    The most obvious solution is to have a good QB, but a good offensive line is just as important. I keep thinking about the Texas Tech offense, and it's pretty obvious that our personnel pretty much mirror what's needed to run it. However, it's very difficult to run it against top-flight defenses with an offensive line with 5 new starters. We suffer the fate of comparing our program to Oregon's and USC's and realize that we need to have the talent they have if we want to beat them on a regular basis.

    I like the idea of changing it up in terms of schemes, but that has to come on a week-to-week basis most importantly. I don't think Stoops has proven himself to be very good at that.
    Unfortunately, no team is going to win a lot of games unless it has good play by the QB, offensive line, and front 7 on D. We've never had all 3 of those things happen at the same time. At least not in terms of us winning double-digit games.

    Some ideas:

    Get a good kicker. Are you kidding me? How many fans of good teams sit on pins and needles during PATs?

    Don't recruit players. Recruit positions instead. There aren't many good teams that don't have good QBs, D front 7s, and offensive lines. Those positions must be productive for any program to succeed. This point is not negotiable.

    The coaching staff has consistently set up our defense to be reactive rather than offensive. That needs to change, and quickly. Any team needs a pass rush to succeed, and no team can effectively get to the QB without a blitz unless it has exceptional talent up-front on D. I'd love to see the Cats recruit a bunch of studs on the defensive line, but effective blitzing seems like a more realistic goal. Find a way to get to the QB!

    CatAtTheSpot

  • Nice.

    Rushing four against OKST may not be the best example, because apparently they are pretty good.

    But it was ridiculous the amount of time they gave the QB to stand back there and find an open receiver.

    BlkMtn