Online Now 207

WSR Gridiron Report

On this Board 62
Record: 765 (9/29/2012)

Online now 162
Record: 7245 (2/26/2012)

Boards ▾
Reply

What does the NCAA do now about Penn State?

  • Penn State has accepted the verdict and is wanting to settle with the victims so what can the NCAA authority over the sports side do now? Civil versus sports, control versus no control, I don't really know.

    PEB13

  • It is only my opinion but clearly Penn State could and should come under massive suspicion for a cover up institutionally. If in fact a state legal department went after them they would get nailed, but since the university is one of the state's biggest money makers it won't be the state. Thus the Federal govt should have a look into it and go from there.

    I have no idea if any of that will be played out or most of this will be swept under the rug and folks will try their hardest to say this was a one man criminal act - not a conspiracy of negligence.

    But if Penn State imo gets their just reward they should be investigated in full and made to be accountable and if found guilty criminally should also be sanctioned by the NCAA with a dealth penalty in football. And again because we have had this argument here before, if somebody says the NCAA has no jurisdiction, that is WRONG, because the NCAA can punish institutions for institutional unethical violations when they are directly related to sports in which they govern.

    Again, all my opinion as to how this should play out, but Penn State is now a huge blemish to the sport of college football and in fact the integrity of universities.

    They should be punished to the maximum.

    And not that anyone is about to forget, but just to reiterate, we are talking about having stolen the innocent childrens lives here and no doubt having caused misery for many families until their last days.

    Adults and institutions are supposed to protect children not destroy their lives.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by wato on 6/23/2012 at 4:33 AM

    wato

  • Hi wato, I don't disagree with anything you said, but I have not heard a word mentioned by anyone on any actions to be taken by the NCAA and that is really my question. Do they have the authority or the willingness to do anything?

    PEB13

  • It is a very good question Peb, I think the NCAA is more than a little reluctant to get involved in this until it completely plays out in the courts. The NCAA may also be quite leery of killing one of their biggest cash cows on the east coast.

    wato

  • I believe everyone will be waiting for a few things. Former FBI director Freeh's investigation wichcouuld lead to federal sanctions effecting the acredidation of Penn State. They could lose all federal education funding which owuld be devastating and in addition law suits could wipe charges were brought up by at least their 1.8billion endowment fund. Next the PA AG will pursue charges on the AD, VP and Possibly the past President of the University and if this results in convictions then the NCAA is likely to move in with sanctions which could at maxx be a Death Penalty for football, but is more likely to include a multi yeaar bowl ban(3 to 5 years) and large reduction in football scholarships. Some would say this is unfair to the players, but any player that goes there now should kn ow this is coming and they should choose the school more czrefully. the trial proved that Sandusky aided and abetted by Curley, Schultz, Paterno and Spanier was allowed access to the campus for over 15 years to repeatedly abuse minors and that charges had been brought at least by 1998 if not 1995 that should have been pursued by authorities and tht Paterno and others in charge knew of these charges and chose to protect the footballl program to he detriment of the victims.

    I assure you that 10 victims were found to have been victimized but there is almost certainly another 30 ro 40 victims who could not find the ability to come forward and put on the stand to be victimized again. Penn State football deseves the max
    on this and don;t give sympathyto the players and current coaches as they do not deserve itgive it to the many victims of this travesty brought to us by Sandusky, and he Penn State leaders who supported him.

    Jim

    jjones163

  • IMO, future bowl bans and scholarship reductions don't punish the guilty. The violations were criminal and immoral acts, not violations of NCAA athletic rules. Remove victories, bowl games, etc. during the times of the incidents and ruin the records of those involved. The civil cases will empty the Penn State bank accounts and endowments. Ban all involved from having any role whatsoever in college athletics and academics.

    Bear Down Arizona! Wildcat Sports Report, CFO AZ's Certified Tax Coach at Wildcat Tax & Accountingwww.WildcatTax.com

    bpwildcat

  • Wato, I disagree with you on this.

    It should go without saying that I am, like everyone, morally outraged.

    The death penalty for the school, as BP notes, does not punish the guilty, in fact in punishes the innocents. Let's say this was Jim Rosborough (and I apologize to Rosborough for having to use that example). Would you want the death penalty for AZ BB? That is roughly the same time frame and similar situation.

    Years and years of good will and flat out excellence in football are integral to that community, and the FB program, per se, was NOT the culprit here.

    Penn State gained no competitive advantage by covering up Sandusky's actions, if anything it served as a distraction. Auburn and USC won national titles behind Cam Newton and Reggie Bush who were paid to play. Thats where I want to see the NCAA step with more than taking wins away. Big difference.

    Penn State's healing process should include football. If the civil suits do as much damage as expected to the school, it will need the revenue that football can provide. 94,000 students, 24 campuses...imagine how many lives could be effected even by small budget cuts and where do those cuts lead?

    Further, if you punish the USC program for paying players to pay, they might learn their lesson and not do it again. But if you punish Penn State Football or any football program for the actions of a pedophile - it will not prevent or deter any child rapists from their crime. The crime and it's cover up should all be dealt with. Everyone involved should get punished. I just don't think the institution had much do with or control over this. If a few key people decided just to sweep it under the rug, it's on them. If Penn State has a known policy of covering up crimes of it's employees, then the institution would be at fault.

    The further this can be distanced from college athletics the better for all schools and athletic departments. This belongs in the world of crime and law enforcement - not the NCAA, IMO.

    "Arizona has no tradition" - Bill Walsh "We have a tradition of kicking Bill Walsh's ass" - Teddy Bruschi

    wineknow

  • WK,

    The problem I have with Penn St is that they(Athletic Department and University) allowed him to continue to use their facilities even after he retired and allegations surfaced.
    To say the Athletics Department, leaders and police to a degree had no envolvment is BS. From what i have read and heard it was a huge cover up and sad to say whenever I hear Penn St or joepa i will always think of this. These people ALL failed the kids. SO SAD!!!!!
    Where the NCAA needs to step in is when the coach has more power the the campus PD and University Admin. The power the football/basketball coach can have is scary and that needs to be fixed somehow.

    CatsinCO

  • I work with a few Penn State grads and they have been wrecks since this whole quagmire unfurled.

    Honestly, I don't know how I would cope if Arizona were to suddenly have its pride and reputation extinguished in the manner that PSU has with its president and athletic director as protagonists to this scandal.

    Compared to SMU or the Baylor Dave Bliss fiasco, this PSU issue is exponentially worse.

    What's not been reported much is PSU's where-with-all with its one and a half billion dollar endowment.

    There are personal injury lawyers who have wet dreams about such the situation.

    NogalesJerry

  • CatsinCO said...

    WK,

    The problem I have with Penn St is that they(Athletic Department and University) allowed him to continue to use their facilities even after he retired and allegations surfaced. To say the Athletics Department, leaders and police to a degree had no envolvment is BS. From what i have read and heard it was a huge cover up and sad to say whenever I hear Penn St or joepa i will always think of this. These people ALL failed the kids. SO SAD!!!!! Where the NCAA needs to step in is when the coach has more power the the campus PD and University Admin. The power the football/basketball coach can have is scary and that needs to be fixed somehow.

    There's a good point in here about the power of a football coach over the entire university. I remember when news of this first broke last year and then we began to here reports about all the "security" around the football offices and how no one dared enter the facility for decades if they weren't part of the program. That's going way overboard, and honestly leads my suspicion as to what "other things" the program has been up to the past 35-40 years.

    At this point, the violations and alleged cover ups (which seem to be pretty darn true) are so reprehensible that whatever harsh justice comes to the school then so be it. It's one thing to have over the top NCAA recruiting violations (i.e. SMU), but when something so morally corrupt like the Penn State stuff surfaces being concerned about the innocent is way down on the list.

    This post was edited by Gary Randazzo on 6/24/2012 at 3:59 AM

    National Basketball Recruiting Analyst & Publisher of Wildcat Sports Report

    Gary Randazzo

  • What NCAA rule has been violated that hasn't been addressed by the legal system?

    Further penalties affect only those people that had nothing to do with the situation.

    BlkMtn

  • Blk Mtn,
    This is a very easy one, lack of institutional control....................and shall I add a complete and utter disregard for it.
    It is a BIG one and they should be nailed for it.

    This from the NCAA........

    “In determining whether there has been a lack of institutional control when a violation of NCAA
    rules has been found it is necessary to ascertain what formal institutional policies and procedures were in place at the time the violation of NCAA rules occurred and whether those policies and procedures, if adequate, were being monitored and enforced.”

    “Even though specific action has been taken to place responsibility elsewhere, these individuals will be assumed to be operating on behalf of the institution with respect to those responsibilities that are logically within the scope of their positions. Their failure to control those matters so as to prevent violations of NCAA rules will be considered the result of a lack of institutional control.”

    Lawyers will no doubt argue this out, but in PSU's case, does anyone not believe that the University was actively engaged in a massive cover up in order to protect its football team's image, thus make sure its recruiting, tv time, and money making maching did not take a hit? Because that is exactly why the University turned a blind eye to these crimes.........and that imho is blatant - Lack of Institutional Control.

    This post was edited by wato on 6/24/2012 at 5:02 PM

    wato

  • Black Mountain thatis easy to answer lack of institutional control. I believe when Former FBi director Freeh delivers his repoort we will see a pattern of willful instituaitonal abuse by Joe Paterno, theaD thethe VP and the President of the university and possibly other football coaches who knew what was going on and did nothing and stiffled any attempts to bring this to light. The first obvious signs in 1997 and 1998 were deliberaately ignored by these Penn State powers and Joe Paterno did nothing to make it stop even though he was the most powerful person at Penn State. Even when presented with what McQuerry saw he only presented it to Schultz and Curley who burrried it and he still did nothing. If we are going to hit SMU with a Death Penalty for much less and major bans on USC, Ohio State and next Miami of Florida for much less important findings then we must do something to Penn State and its football progfram. This scandal is a hundred times worse than what happened at USC, SMU, Ohio State and Miami combined and cannot be tolerated. Personally I would like to see the Federal Education powers takke away the credentials of Penn State and cause them to be shut down but at a minimum we must hit their football program so hard they never recover. I know this hurts innocent players but they should be allowed to go elsewhere and be eligible immediately. JOe Paterno and the others knew they had child molester intheir midst and not only did nothing to stopp him but covered for him for 14 years. That is intolerable. We cannot punish Joe Paterno now but as practicing Catholic I believe God took care of what needed to be done in his case.

    Jim

    jjones163

  • I see your points. Thank you. I agree that IC may give them jurisdiction, but is it necessary now? Paterno is dead, the abuser is toast, and further is the NCAA likely to crush one of the great moneymakers in all of college sports?

    What the NCAA can do and what hey are likely to do may be two different things.

    BlkMtn