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  • liver97 said...

    see season after we lost to Duke in the national championship...we made the NCAA tournament.

    "after a couple of rebuilding seasons..."

    Wildcat_Brad

  • liver97 said...

    see season after we lost to Duke in the national championship...we made the NCAA tournament.

    Was it after a couple of rebuilding seasons? No. We just made the NCAA Final. Not what I would consider a "rebuilding year." We may have lost sophomores, but that was more of a "reload" situation because we were so good.

    I'm asking when the last time we had this current set of circumstances befall our program (losing two excellent sophomore starters during a program rebuild). Besides that, it's been a long time since we've lost a top5 draft pick and that's beside the fact that we also unexpectedly lost our floor leader to transfer, our "1st guard off the bench" to injury, and another starter to injury at both the beginning and end of the season.

    I'm just saying, come on, be rational. This has been a really, really rough year. I don't think you can make an accurate judgement given the circumstances.

    blueleaf11

  • Excuses excuses, did Olson need them once? No this is the worst Pac confrence in a generation and we have one win agianst the teams above us in the standings. You can point to all the reasons you want but Miller owns this year, didn't he recruit Kreal and Sidiki? Didn't he recruit Turner? And what happened to Chol it is almost like he is hurt or in Miller's doghouse he hasn't been effective since WSU.

    liver97

  • 30-8 last year! I think losing DWill, MoMo, and Parrom can explain a 21-10 season.

    Wildcat_Brad

  • Wildcat_Brad said...

    30-8 last year! I think losing DWill, MoMo, and Parrom can explain a 21-10 season.

    sure if this was a Pac 12 with multiple ranked teams. We were 12-6 in a mid major confrence. The reason is because Miller missed on KREAL, Diki and Turner. That simple we have no center and a point gaurd with more issues then an episode of the view.

    liver97

  • I agree that CSM is totally responsible for this year. We're in his 3rd season and he's had plenty of time to put his stamp on the program. I have to believe that AD Greg Byrne is having a very serious conversation with coach about how unacceptable his performance has been this season. Missing the tournament and losing to ASU in two out of his three years here. its not an anomaly. it seems to be the standard.

    Bear Down Arizona

    Ben J

  • Regardless of excuses, most of which are valid, today's loss is inexecusable. It shouldn't have happened, but it did so the team and its coach will have to reap the whirlwind.

    National Basketball Recruiting Analyst & Publisher of Wildcat Sports Report

    Gary Randazzo

  • Ben J said...

    I agree that CSM is totally responsible for this year. We're in his 3rd season and he's had plenty of time to put his stamp on the program. I have to believe that AD Greg Byrne is having a very serious conversation with coach about how unacceptable his performance has been this season. Missing the tournament and losing to ASU in two out of his three years here. its not an anomaly. it seems to be the standard.

    I disagree that he has had enough time. Miller has recruited 12 kids. 4 of those are gone (Bejarano, DWill, MoMo, Sidiki). 2 of them missed significant time with injury this year (Parrom, Mayes). 3 of them are freshman. There is a good reason why some sports writers said it would take Miller 5+ years to get UA back to where it was in their prime.

    If DWill and MoMo were back this year and Parrom was healthy. We would be looking at a 1 seed and then you guys would be praising Miller. Put everything in perspective.

    Wildcat_Brad

  • Wildcat_Brad said...

    I disagree that he has had enough time. Miller has recruited 12 kids. 4 of those are gone (Bejarano, DWill, MoMo, Sidiki). 2 of them missed significant time with injury this year (Parrom, Mayes). 3 of them are freshman. There is a good reason why some sports writers said it would take Miller 5+ years to get UA back to where it was in their prime.

    If DWill and MoMo were back this year and Parrom was healthy. We would be looking at a 1 seed and then you guys would be praising Miller. Put everything in perspective.

    Good post.

    I'd suggest simply that if Parrom and Mayes remained healthy Arizona would be 14-4 right now and have no worries. Unfortunately, you have to play with the cards you've been dealt and Arizona has been given some tough cards this season.

    I'll say this, though. Even though things don't look great, remember not to judge Arizona in a vacuum. The entire NCAA Bubble is crumbling right now so anything can happen. If I had to put money on the line I'd say Arizona needs to win the Pac-12 Tournament. However, a win over UCLA and then perhaps a win over Washington might be enough to get Arizona in based on what other bubble teams do this week.

    National Basketball Recruiting Analyst & Publisher of Wildcat Sports Report

    Gary Randazzo

  • Stop it, we are not going to the dance.

    liver97

  • Pac-12 will get 3 teams in. We won't be one of them. I think its totally unfair to these kids to expect, or even hope to win the Pac-12 tournament. If it happens, it'll be a fluke.

    Bear Down Arizona

    Ben J

  • Guys, lets give ASU some credit, though it hurts to do so.

    They played the best game they have played in years. We can say all night that we shouldn't lose to a team like that, but the stars all lined up for them, they banked in at least 2 3 pters, and shot 55% from the floor.

    Blav shot great, but was, as usual, the weak link on defense and was taken advantage of a number of times, especially late in the game. No one can defend his defense, but he isn't in the game for that, and he probably is a net gain for us.

    Turner and Johnson didn't show up or contribute much. I don't blame Miller for that. It is his job to motivate them, but they have to step up in a game like this. It was obvious that ASU wasn't just going to roll over for Arizona.

    We basically had 4 guys contribute today; Perry, Hill, Fogg, Blav. Five on four, even against ASU, isn't fair.

    On a year long scale, losing Parrom for basically the entire season has really hurt this team. Not having Mayes for a string of games has hurt us.

    Before the rioting and pitchforks and torches are brought out for Miller, let's reflect the miracle of winning over 20 games with no one over 6'6".

    Win two games in the Pac 12 tourney and we squeak into the NCAA. Maybe. Considering the lack of depth, and losing 70% or our scoring from last year's team, Miller has done a good job.

    BlkMtn

  • BlkMtn said...

    We basically had 4 guys contribute today; Perry, Hill, Fogg, Blav. Five on four, even against ASU, isn't fair.

    3 of those guys are gone next year...

    liver97

  • BlkMtn said...

    Before the rioting and pitchforks and torches are brought out for Miller, let's reflect the miracle of winning over 20 games with no one over 6'6".

    So we're just going to conveniently not count angelo chol and jesse perry? Seems kinda odd. I get your point, I think. But lying isn't cool.

    Bear Down Arizona

    Ben J

  • The majority of these posts are incredibly disappointing and not at all what I expect from our fan base.

    It smacks of reactionary, knee-jerk emotions and sounds highly turn-coat at best.

    The majority of programs out there take a step back when losing 4 of their top 6 players (3 unexpectedly). It happens. And yes, you can see evidence of that with Olson if you care enough to take off the blinders and look. Why did Olson not miss the tournament then? Because he was in the middle of a 25 year dynasty with plenty of depth, and he wasn't trying to coach out of a recruiting disaster that included a year of Kevin O'Neill, a legendary HOF coach unexpectedly retiring, then Pennell/Dunlap for a year. Oh, and let's not forget sanctions that were out of his control too.

    Some of you act like we're in a vacuum with the comments about how this should never happen at Arizona. The last 5 years were pretty unprecedented.

    I think it's time to be a little more rational.

    blueleaf11

  • Oh here it goes I was waiting for the if you don't support your team and pudge unconditionally you are not a real fan. Well I say anyone who doesn't demand excellence isn't a real fan either. I am not saying we should fire Miller, but the man is not above criticism. Perhaps if he turned the berating he gives his players in practice onto himself he can see the things he needs to work on in his own game.

    THIS IS ARIZONA THE NIT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

    liver97

  • BlkMtn said...

    Guys, lets give ASU some credit, though it hurts to do so.

    They played the best game they have played in years. We can say all night that we shouldn't lose to a team like that, but the stars all lined up for them, they banked in at least 2 3 pters, and shot 55% from the floor.

    With all the vitriol on the board, nobody will mind if I slip in a Greg Hansen link?

    Seriously, look at the numbers and the trends. That team played out of their minds. Nobody was going to beat them yesterday.

    Ashton

  • The honeymoon for CSM still isn't over. Arizona fans are going to give him a pass b/c they still feel like they're lucky to have him. They have this inferiority complex where they think they can't get a great coach to come to the desert. They could be right. But too many fans are afraid to place to heavy a blame on CSM b/c they're afraid he'll leave. Truth is, he's been here three years, and in two of those years, we've had the worst two teams in the last 25 years. Worse than KO. Worse than Russ Pennell / Mike Dunalp.

    Honestly, I think CSM is going to be fine. I think he's going to get this thing turned around eventually (hopefully next season). But he's not above criticism. He's not this guy who is totally irreplaceable. This team stunk up the joint this year, and we'd be okay without him. There are other coaches out there who are great coaches. Heck, people on this board talk shit about Josh Pastner, but every year his teams get better. People didn't want Randy Bennett, but I guarantee his teams would beat us. CSM can get this thing going in the right direction and I'm all for giving him a few more years to really have a fair shot at doing it his way, but there are others out there as well. He's Lucky to be here.

    Bear Down Arizona

    Ben J

  • How is that Pastner has his team rolling when the cupboard was completely bare. Cal took all the recruits and there were very few returning players. Yet Memphis would own the Pac 12 this year, why is it that we have to give CSM a pass because of the instability that happened 4 years ago.

    This post was edited by liver97 on 3/5/2012 at 11:17 AM

    liver97

  • liver97 said...

    Oh here it goes I was waiting for the if you don't support your team and pudge unconditionally you are not a real fan. Well I say anyone who doesn't demand excellence isn't a real fan either. I am not saying we should fire Miller, but the man is not above criticism. Perhaps if he turned the berating he gives his players in practice onto himself he can see the things he needs to work on in his own game.

    THIS IS ARIZONA THE NIT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

    fan comes from FANATIC which explains the looney reaction to a bad loss. no perspective. liver and wk are fans no doubt. they are also knee jerk loonies who lack perspective.

    Wildcat_Brad

  • Pastner's 2010 "embarrassment of 4 to 5 star recruit riches" are beginning to mature. If you are referencing this season.

    http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/school?id=235&class=2010

    Much like our own "front court embarrassment of riches" due for next year, which is the very area we need to address. No way would anyone sane call for CSM's head. And buckle in everyone, this might be a two year rebuilding job. Freshmen being freshmen and all...

    A final thought. I believe we just neutralized the "pissed off UCLA factor". This really depends if we continue to mope around or show up to Fight like Wildcats.

    See you all on Thursday at 3:30 MST.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Ashton on 3/5/2012 at 11:43 AM

    Ashton

  • Wildcat_Brad said...

    fan comes from FANATIC which explains the looney reaction to a bad loss. no perspective. liver and wk are fans no doubt. they are also knee jerk loonies who lack perspective.

    I have been critical all season, please don't paint it as just a reaction to this loss

    liver97

  • liver97 said...

    How is that Pastner has his team rolling when the cupboard was completely bare. Cal took all the recruits and there were very few returning players. Yet Memphis would own the Pac 12 this year, why is it that we have to give CSM a pass because of the instability that happened 4 years ago.

    I watched this "rolling" Memphis team lose to a 14-16 UTEP at home just 2 weeks ago. Everyone has bad days.

    I'm not saying that we can't criticize, just that most of this criticism is over the top and way overblown.

    blueleaf11

  • don't care if you have been negative the entire season. I'd say you lacked perspective all season. what were you saying last year?

    Wildcat_Brad

  • Wildcat_Brad said...

    don't care if you have been negative the entire season. I'd say you lacked perspective all season. what were you saying last year?

    now that's just being mean

    Bear Down Arizona

    Ben J